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Wednesday, October 07, 2009

Hoping Obama Fails

I would like for those of you who are cheering our Country's misfortune regarding Chicago's bid to host the Olympics, as well as "Hoping Obama Fails" to take a look at the above picture. Nice house, isn't it? It belongs to Rush Limbaugh.

I am not criticizing him in the least for owning that house - it is a great house, a beautiful house. I want one too!

Here's the thing. Rush Limbaugh can afford it if Obama fails. Can you?



housewifeish said...

Yes. Actually, I think we'd be better off as a society if a lot of his programs were not put through the Congress/House.
Rush saying that he wishes Obama fails is not about Obama as a person, it's about Obama having programs that are NOT what America is truly about.

Retro Housewife said...

OK, That is a valid argument. I would like to see some sort of health care reform. You have made clear what it is you don't want, can you offer an alternative? Something positive?

It has been my experience in life that it is easy to criticize and destroy, much harder to do and create.

What do you see as possible solutions to this problem?

Anonymous said...

Good for you for saying this! How is it in any citizen's best interest to wish for our country's president [one country, one people, one president, same as it's always been under our constitution] to fail? What don't people understand about the fact that if he fails, we ALL fail, as a country and as a people?

BTW, I am writing this after having woken up to the news that Obama has just won the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm sure many will criticize the decision, but this is not something to be disregarded or deemed a mere fluke or fad. Just doesn't work that way, folks, so perhaps try to open your minds just a smidge and try to see what the rest of us, including globally, are seeing.

housewifeish said...

Personally I would love to see healthcare reform. I would NOT, however, like to see a public option that in the end would destroy private insurance. My husband survived cancer.. I've seen the system work. I've been a part of the system. Does it need reform? YES! Start with tort reform, start with allowing doctors to treat the uninsured and allow them to write it off on their taxes, stop taxing healthcare, offer incentives for more people to become doctors, do something about the outrageous insurance that doctors have to pay because of malpractice (IMO goes beyond just tort reform), offer more incentives for companies offering private insurance, allow insurance companies to extend over state lines, get the some 16 million people who already qualify for programs but aren't signed up for them signed up, take away prexisting conditions clauses... There are probably more things but it's been a busy day.. haha. Now, I think there are plenty of things that can be done that don't include more government intrusion on our lives, that also encourage free market, free trade of ideas, and incentive for doing so.

Retro Housewife said...

I wonder what the rational is for restricting health insurance sales by state... for other lines it is to avoid an AIG like situation. But, baring a nationwide pandemic, I can't see it.

The pre-existing clause can't effectively be banned without some pooling of premium over the insured's lifetime. That is an element that speaks for a single payer system. Otherwise Company A collects your premium for 50 years when you are healthy, and Company B goes broke covering you into old age. A single payer, presumably, would have you through thick and thin.



Anonymous said...

Thank you housewifeish. Yes - I too believe we would ALL be better off if Obama's big/overreaching government policies FAIL.

To the Anonymous "try to open your minds" poster:
-Have you listened to Rush Limbaugh's show, or are you relying on media figures to filter his words for you?

-Try listening to Limbaugh for no less than 6 weeks

-If Rush's sense of humor is not your style, try Dennis Miller's radio show (,
or Mark Steyn online (

-Try to open YOUR mind to the singular idea that individual freedoms and free-market capitalism are in serious peril under Obama's plans to reinvent the American economy

-Try to think in terms of rewarding hard work, innovation, risk-taking; as opposed to falling prey to class envy tactics that end up punishing successful people for being successful, and rewarding dependence.

-Do those things, and perhaps you'll begin to understand that the failure of Obama's policies does NOT mean the country fails.

-The Nobel Peace Prize means little. It's a petty statement against Bush 43.

Free-Market Capitalism is not and never will be perfect. But history shows it to be the economic system that BEST provides for the MOST people.

Does anybody have a problem with politicians, who by striving to keep themselves in office, shamelessly and purposely grow the underclass by promoting CRISES and enticing more and more people to trade their liberty for permanent dependence on the government?

Personally, I can't think of a more insidious form of elitism-racism-condescension than convincing people that they're too unfortunate, too victimized, too stupid to make it in the world without some government program to shore them up. Blacks/Minorities in positions of power who use "their own" to further themselves are the most disturbing to me.

Currently, what rationale can Democrats give for defunding school vouchers for inner city students? I believe this issue alone is very telling.

Okay...An alternative? something positive?
How about nothing more than drastic tax cuts to encourage businesses and individuals to grow and create jobs.

Simple steps toward health care/insurance reform:
Medical malpractice tort reform
Inter-state medical insurance
Start there -- Small steps as necessary.

Retro Housewife said...

OK, But what about the issue of pre-existing conditions, and insurance companies dropping people when they get sick?

If you can think of a market mechanism which will take care of that, let's hear it. I would prefer a free market solution, but I think this is a case where government intervention is required.

I don't need health insurance when I am healthy, I need it when I am sick. As opposed to other types of things we insure, your health is cumulative, and will deteriorate with age. To be fair to the insurance companies, they need to get your money when you are young and healthy - not just when you are old, and to be fair to the insureds, you need to be able to count on your insurance being there when you are sick, unemployed, retired, etc.


Our system sucks and I am not happy with it in the least. It can also be extremely disruptive for the economy, business and people who really need it.

Tort reform alone won't fix anything. And, everybody hates lawyers until they need one themselves.


housewifeish said...

I think our system is the best in the world, and that's what our cancer survival rates show.

I'm not sure that prexisting clauses would actually help insurance companies, because while yes, they would have to pay more for some, they would end up getting the premiums for people who have lesser prexisting conditions, like migraines, that may not truly cost a lot to treat.

Retro Housewife said...

That is how the system currently works, and there are very lengthy clauses in every policy (at least the ones that I read when I was shopping for health insurance) specifying that pre-existing conditions are not covered. So, anybody with a chronic illness is out of luck if they can't get insurance through their workplace.

My aunt died of Cancer. She was constantly in some sort of battle with her insurance company because they were denying one treatment after another. In the end, they won. She was young and my cousins were only 12 and 14 at the time.

Her doctor thought the recommended treatment had a reasonable chance of success, but the insurance company was in cost control mode and time was on their side. This is something that you won't fully appreciate unless it happens to you or a family member.

The harsh reality is that somebody already makes your medical decisions for you, other than your doctor. I sat next to some of these people for awhile when I was on a 3 month temp job. They sit in their cubicles and make the decisions about what is covered and what isn't. Day in, day out.

Your best interests and their best interests are in a constant state of conflict. The trouble is that you will be at your least able to fight them when you need them the most. If it is cheaper to let you die, then guess what happens?


housewifeish said...

What about the rest of the things I mentioned? You only pointed out the pre-existing clauses..

Retro Housewife said...

>>Start with allowing doctors to treat the uninsured and allow them to write it off on their taxes<<

Never thought of that. Would want someone smarter than I to look into it, but like the idea.

Retro Housewife said...

Start with tort reform - I asked my sister to come comment on this one, as she and her hubby are both lawyers (she no longer practices - has 3 beautiful little girls that keep her very busy) - so busy in fact that that she doesn't seem to have the time.

In general, I hate lawyers and would want to reform the heck out of them. That said, I would not feel that way if I really needed one and found one who helped me.

I know from listening to my sister and bro-in-law that there are cases of medical screw-ups that would tear your heart out and IMHO these cases need to be heard in court. The key is, how to stop the abuse which these days often seems like standard procedure.

I have to answer this one "not competent to give an opinion".

Anonymous said...

How did this get narrowed to health care/insurance reform from the original "Hoping Obama Fails" post?

Is it so wrong to contemplate our national identity during this Obama-declared healthcare CRISIS?

If it must be healthcare, indulge in a little more philosophical discussion...
What does it say about our national "mentality", that for many people the idea of self-paying for health insurance is a foreign concept?

Even more unfathomable to most is paying for health CARE. Negotiating and shopping, not for health insurance, but for services and drugs? That's just crazy. Just saying "NO" to a prescription drug? Stupid.

How did the health business turn into this THING, that operates so differently from other parts of the economy?

What caused the messy parts of the health care system?
-Can we fix anything if we aren't brutally honest about the causes?

It's so easy to fall for the "greedy corporations" "greedy doctors" bit.
-are they more to blame than government tinkering in Medicare /Medicaid and over-regulation?
-more to blame than the effects of employer-provided insurance, i.e., removing consumer incentives to shop and save?
-more to blame than uneven tax policies?
-more to blame than ambulance-chasing lawyers?
Does it make sense to use MORE of the stuff that caused the messes?

How do we make sure we encourage, and not stifle, those things that helped us to achieve the really good stuff in American healthcare?

Is this really about fixing the system?

COULD it be about control, and payback for a few key players; or creating fundamental movement away from capitalism? (uh-oh crazy conspiracy)

Frankly (and unfortunately in my opinion), it's likely too late to have a discussion about Obama's policies and philosophies. His supporters have effectively framed any criticism as "racist"; and any calls for personal responsibility as unrealistic or callous.

It's a grey and rainy day here, and today I'm feeling a real loss of faith in the American people. We're a sorry bunch if we will fight harder to get free stuff and punish achievers, than we will to remain free from political correctness and oppressive government.