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Friday, August 13, 2010

Big Mouth Feminists, Jews And GLBTs Strangely Quiet On Islamification - Why?

Has any body noticed that there is a strange lack of noise coming from the usual suspects on the topic of encroaching Islam in the US? I find this very odd.

"Feminists" a group that has entire websites dedicated to complaining about a candy bar commercial's supposed objectification of women and other equally stupid communal delusions and can be found frothing and hysterical any time some white guy says "Ma'am" seem to have no problem whatsoever with Islam's increasing presence in the USA. Islam, the "peaceful religion" that forces its women to run around in bed sheets and the occasional iron mask (have seen this myself in Germany - it is horrendous), dictates that women's testimony in legal proceedings is worth only 1/2 that of a man's, and advocates public stoning for women guilty of infidelity.

Call me crazy, but it would seem to me that anybody who gives a hoot about women's rights would be up in arms about their new neighbors.

Then there is the normally very vocal Jewish lobby - and not a peep. I hardly think they would be so quiet if Nazis were settling in the US by the millions, and please excuse my ignorance in my not seeing a practical difference with regard to the feelings of Muslims towards Jews and those of the Nazis of the 3rd Reich. Death to Jews, Death to Israel isn't code for "my those are lovely geraniums you have on your balcony" or anything, is it?

Finally, the group that has made a business out of being as unpleasant as possible when their various hallucinations concerning their "rights" are not immediately enshrined into law seem to be indifferent to what will turn into a veritable persecution to-the-death of anybody and anything GLBT related. The Koran wants them dead and in countries where Sharia law is the law of the land, they are quite frequently made very dead.

Given what is going on in Europe, you would have to be officially brain-dead to expect that the more radical elements within the Islamic population will refrain from trying to exert their influence on US society. It is the natural progression of things; it is not a question of if it will happen, it is one of how fast will it happen, and will we have rid ourselves of the no-self-esteemers currently running everything in time to stop it?

I would appreciate any comments, especially if you happen to be a member of one of these strangely quiet groups. What gives?

RH

Follow Up



What Your Tolerance Will Get You:



Any of you ladies out there no longer virgins and not married? Your punishment will be death by hanging... and as I just learned, not by the trap door method; they put the noose around your neck and string you up. Takes awhile to die. They just recently strung up another lady over there in Iran...first they were going to stone her, but they got a lot of flak for that, so they hung'er high. (or were planning on it last I heard.)

Everybody must get stoned: For real, like. This is my favorite part: "the Iranian penal code specifies that "stones are large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the victim immediately." Article 102 of the Penal Code states that men should be buried up to their waists and women up to their breasts for the purpose of execution by stoning. Article 104 states, with reference to the penalty for adultery, that the stones used should "not be large enough to kill the person by one or two strikes; nor should they be so small that they could not be defined as stones."  Let's see here, I am wondering about this thing that Newsweek calls "the Iranian penal code". It is my understanding that proper Muslim countries follow Sharia law, so does it not then follow that the size of the stones are in fact set forth in the Koran?

Let me see, are there any Muslim countries in the world which are not like this? Turkey is the only one I can think of. Atta Turk!

But just keep practicing your tolerance! That is very important, because you will have a lot to tolerate.

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14 comments:

emilyp said...

I know many Jews(me included)who do not support the mosque at all. The Anti-Defamation League spoke out against it as well. As for why more groups are not speaking out(actually Sharia law would affect everyone as only Islam is tolerated)is because they are 1. scared 2. guilty bleeding heart white liberals or 3. just plain ignorant.

What I have begun to find intolerable is liberals throwing around the words xenophobic and racist whenever anyone expresses fear of or distaste for the mosque. It is a way to shut down any intellectual discussion and creates more of a divide than ever before.

Retro Housewife said...

I was glad to see that. I can only imagine what the families of the victims must be feeling. Even though I didn't know anyone who was killed, when I first heard about that mosque, it just made me sad and actually hurt.

If I can be affected like that, having been 3000 miles away at the time, god only knows what it must be like for those who lost family and friends.

It would seem to me that plain old common decency should suffice to guide those who would build monuments to victims - if you victimize the victims all over again, then you become perpetrator after the fact. I think that particular group has suffered enough.

RH

emilyp said...

I completely agree RH. I keep saying, Muslims DID crash the planes into the buildings and nothing will ever change that. I don't see why so many people want to bend over backwards to make that irrelevant. My other issue is the people who keep telling me that I just don't understand Islam. Um, I may not know everything..but I sure know that tolerance does not appear to be an important tenet..no matter how many people try to say it is.

emilyp said...

There is a good column in the WaPo today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/12/AR2010081204996.html

I don't get why everyone keeps quoting the Constitution. No one is arguing the right of the Mosque to be built or against the right of Islam to be practiced in the US(no one rational). Understanding the Constitution does not mean I have to support the building of a Mosque right next to Ground Zero.

Scarlett said...

I must say I find this all very sad and disheartening. It's interesting Retro Housewife that you bring up the Nazi's and their hatred and vilification of the Jews during the Second World War. I am not defending September 11th in any means, but I am defending exactly the liberty for which people fought and died during World War II. Whether it was Jews then or Muslims now, there is a huge danger that we in the West begin attacking Muslims as scapegoats for our troubles. I agree that this is a sensitive issue, but many Muslims also died in the Twin Towers that day. We must unite with people of all religions, your fellow American Muslims, so that we do not become as intolerant as those who flew the plane that day. It is wrong of us, and ignorant of us, to be suspicious and wary of every Muslim and every Islamic symbol. America was founded on the belief of freedom from religious persecution. We must not let terrorism enter fear in our hearts and blind us into acting with hatred and intolerance.

Retro Housewife said...

Islam is a religion that divides people into 2 classes: believers and infidels. The prescription for infidels is conversion or death.

The goal is Sharia law, here in the US and everywhere else. If you doubt this, read up on what is going on in Canada, the UK and the rest of Europe.

I am suspicious. When somebody says our goal is to impose Sharia on the entire world, do you honestly think it makes sense to ignore this?

Moderate Muslims are not tolerated indefinitely, either - in fact they are threatened with harm or are harmed until they return to the flock.

I have also read repeatedly that there are two schools of thought to achieve worldwide dominance. Once is the terrorist route, the other is the incremental. The latter is posing as a moderate Muslim, while chipping away at the opposition until such time when they can gain absolute control.

This will not stop. It may take decades, but unless opposition is swift and resolute, they will eventually achieve their goal. By the time people realize what has happened it will be too late.

You are risking a lot of people's lives in your quest to be tolerant. It seems to me that your position is somewhat irresponsible.

RH

Scarlett said...

Dear Retro Housewife,
I do live in the UK, in fact I live in Glasgow, Scotland, a community which has welcomed around 18,000 Muslims. Not only that but I have studied political Islam at University. I am no expert on the subject, nor do I claim to be, however your information is entirely incorrect. Firstly, in the UK there are separate Jewish courts which deal with private matters such as marriage and divorce. Many of the Muslims calling for Sharia law simply want similar rights. There are some that call for more extreme measures yes, but they by no means represent the Islamic community in the UK. The prescription for infidels is not conversion or death. Like Christianity there are many different sects which believe different things. In the Bible the punishment for adultery is stoning, that does not mean that Christians agree this is appropriate in modern times. You have generalised a varied and complex religion into the lowest common denominator, the rhetoric of the extremist. It is similar to taking the Westboro Baptist Church as representative of the many varied forms of Christianity. Would you honestly take their extreme views seriously? Finally there are many defenders of moderate Islam here in the UK as I'm sure there are in the US. You're right, sometimes they are threatened. Therefore it is even more imperative that we help keep their faith strong and true to the real message of Mohammed (which is similar to that of Jesus)against extreme threats, rather than vilify them.
One final note, extreme groups are constantly looking for the West to be seen to attacking Islam, this is one such case. We cannot fall into their hands. Secondly, the war on terror was never meant to be a war on Islam. This is what it is turning into and what you are advocating. I understand your fear, but you must see beyond the headlines and the media frenzy. I live in a city with many moderate Muslims, don't abandon yours.

Scarlett said...

Dear Retro Housewife,

I just thought you might like to have a little peak at this blog http://muslimpositive.blogspot.com/ Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and there are a lot out there. You have found several negative ones to post so I thought it might be a nice respite to read some positive ones, just to show that you have a balanced opinion.

In reference to my last post which has not been published yet I would also like to ask you how you feel about the other two mosques which are already in the vicinity of ground zero? All the best.

Retro Housewife said...

Dear Scarlett,

I never received a first post - I publish all comments, unless they are spambot entries looking to create back links.

I have no doubt that there are many positive aspects about Islam. It is a religion practiced by over a billion human beings, and within any population of that size I would expect to find as many good, bad and ugly people as one would in a billion Christians, Jews (if there were that many), Hindus, Buddhists or Atheists doing as many good, bad and ugly things.

The danger I see in Islam is that it is a total package deal, but it is not sold that way and the values and freedoms that we in the West believe to be God given are considered sins in Islam.

Perhaps I am a tad thick, but I do not see how Muslims can practice their religion within a system that conflicts with the basic tenets of their beliefs, without constantly trying to alter the system to remove the conflict.

This may not seem like a problem to a Muslim, but to a non Muslim it is quite scary... assuming they wish to remain a non Muslim.

RH

Retro Housewife said...

Re: Other 2 Mosques in the vicinity of ground zero.

I have absolutely no feelings about them whatsoever. I was not aware they were there, didn't notice them when I last visited and assume they blend in and are part of the fabric of NYC.

I also like falafel.

RH

José said...

Hi,

Unfortunately people cannot or don't want to think by themselves and these kind of things can in theory happen anywhere in the world.
As you all know, people used to be condemned to the stake and sometimes I wonder myself: if a government should suddenly change the constituition and condemn someone to the stake, would people revolt agains it and forbid, or would they go and watch it to satisfy their morbid curiosity ?
The human being is capable of the best and of the worst.
I do like to think that like Rosseau said (I guess it was him), that the human being is naturaly good.

Best regards,

José

Retro Housewife said...

Dear Scarlett,

I found your first post. It turns out I have a "spam box" where some comments are sent automatically. I am not sure why your first post got sent there, it doesn't seem like spam to me.

I was not aware that there were separate Jewish courts in the UK. If that works for Britain, great.

I hope we never have that here in the US, the law should apply to everyone equally, is how I see it.

I am aware that there are barbaric aspects of the bible, and if there were countries in the world where this sort of Christianity was imposed upon people, I would be yakking up a storm against it. I have been to a torture museum in a lovely little town in Germany where I was able to gaze upon all the lovely instruments of torture our ancestors (in a general sense, as I am not Anglo-Saxon, but am joining the club for this discussion) thought up to inflict pain and misery on their fellow human beings.

Happily, in our society, we have relegated such things to the museum (for the most part), however, it was not without considerable bloodshed and suffering that Christianity "grew up". I have no desire to participate in the growing pains of Islam which is still stuck in the middle ages in the vast majority of countries in which it is practiced.

When the IRA was blowing things up in Northern Ireland and the UK, I would shake my head and wonder at the stupidity and evil at work over there. I also find it unbelievable that Catholics and Protestants can hate each other to such a degree that they murder each other. First off, how do they tell the difference?

I considered Ireland to be a backwards sort of place and never even considered visiting. This is not to say that they don't have legitimate grievances, it is just that I don't care to listen to people who plant bombs in cars to make their point.

Do I hate the Irish? Absolutely not. My very best friend in the world is of Irish ancestry, and luckily for me, the magic melting pot that we used to have simmering boiled out all of the car bombers who would have liked to practice their trade stateside.

I wear green and cook corned beef on St. Patrick's day, and think Irish pubs are just swell. But if even one car bomb goes off here in the US in the name of the IRA, you had better believe I would be screaming for us to be taking a closer look at new immigration from Ireland and demanding that Irish nationals be given special attention at airports etc.

I am none too thrilled with the gaggle of Russian spies or our new Russian mafia, either. I don't care what you look like or what you believe, just as long as you leave the nastiness at the door and respect the people who are already here. That's what my parents and grandparents did, and if they can do it, so can everybody else.

You come here with the intention of taking over, I don't like you. Simple as that. And with regards to Islam, that is what I see. I hear Islamic leaders calling me evil, screaming about killing Jews and see them hanging women for infidelity. I read about fathers and brothers murdering their daughters for being American teenagers, and a Muslim woman suing Disney because she wants Disney to change for her, instead of accepting the policy that she agreed to when she took the job. A policy that every other Disney employee follows, I might add.

So maybe you got the good Muslims over there, or maybe you have your eyes wide shut. I have no doubt that there are plenty of Muslims who are/would be fine Americans, but they are not controlling the discussion and seem to be submitting to the nastier elements of their religion.

So, at the risk of offending them, I am going to speak out till I am blue in the face. It is up to them to demonstrate that their intentions are good, not for me to hope they are.

Because I am not going to end up running around with my god damned bedsheets over my head and they are not going to persecute anyone in the name of their stupid religion while there is still breath in my body.

Capice?

RH

Retro Housewife said...

Dear Scarlett,

I found your first post. It turns out I have a "spam box" where some comments are sent automatically. I am not sure why your first post got sent there, it doesn't seem like spam to me.

I was not aware that there were separate Jewish courts in the UK. If that works for Britain, great.

I hope we never have that here in the US, the law should apply to everyone equally, is how I see it.

I am aware that there are barbaric aspects of the bible, and if there were countries in the world where this sort of Christianity was imposed upon people, I would be yakking up a storm against it. I have been to a torture museum in a lovely little town in Germany where I was able to gaze upon all the lovely instruments of torture our ancestors (in a general sense, as I am not Anglo-Saxon, but am joining the club for this discussion) thought up to inflict pain and misery on their fellow human beings.

Happily, in our society, we have relegated such things to the museum (for the most part), however, it was not without considerable bloodshed and suffering that Christianity "grew up". I have no desire to participate in the growing pains of Islam which is still stuck in the middle ages in the vast majority of countries in which it is practiced.

When the IRA was blowing things up in Northern Ireland and the UK, I would shake my head and wonder at the stupidity and evil at work over there. I also find it unbelievable that Catholics and Protestants can hate each other to such a degree that they murder each other. First off, how do they tell the difference?

I considered Ireland to be a backwards sort of place and never even considered visiting. This is not to say that they don't have legitimate grievances, it is just that I don't care to listen to people who plant bombs in cars to make their point.

Do I hate the Irish? Absolutely not. My very best friend in the world is of Irish ancestry, and luckily for me, the magic melting pot that we used to have simmering boiled out all of the car bombers who would have liked to practice their trade stateside.

I wear green and cook corned beef on St. Patrick's day, and think Irish pubs are just swell. But if even one car bomb goes off here in the US in the name of the IRA, you had better believe I would be screaming for us to be taking a closer look at new immigration from Ireland and demanding that Irish nationals be given special attention at airports etc.

I am none too thrilled with the gaggle of Russian spies or our new Russian mafia, either. I don't care what you look like or what you believe, just as long as you leave the nastiness at the door and respect the people who are already here. That's what my parents and grandparents did, and if they can do it, so can everybody else.

You come here with the intention of taking over, I don't like you. Simple as that. And with regards to Islam, that is what I see. I hear Islamic leaders calling me evil, screaming about killing Jews and see them hanging women for infidelity. I read about fathers and brothers murdering their daughters for being American teenagers, and a Muslim woman suing Disney because she wants Disney to change for her, instead of accepting the policy that she agreed to when she took the job. A policy that every other Disney employee follows, I might add.

So maybe you got the good Muslims over there, or maybe you have your eyes wide shut. I have no doubt that there are plenty of Muslims who are/would be fine Americans, but they are not controlling the discussion and seem to be submitting to the nastier elements of their religion.

So, at the risk of offending them, I am going to speak out till I am blue in the face. It is up to them to demonstrate that their intentions are good, not for me to hope they are.

Because I am not going to end up running around with my god damned bedsheets over my head and they are not going to persecute anyone in the name of their stupid religion while there is still breath in my body.

Capice?

RH

emilyp said...

The UK is in such a sad state. I really think they have allowed their country to be destroyed and it is causing problems all over. After living in Europe for 3 years I have seen firsthand the problems with open door immigration. There is such a large amount of hatred between the Europeans and the Muslims..it is going to get worse and worse and eventually will blow up in all of our faces.